Back From Vacation

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  1. Does Dr. Josh truly know how much you appreciate him and how grateful you are? He sits through alot of drama with you.
    I'm really disappointed in all the Christians you debate. They are ridiculous
    The pure blissful ignorance is not representative of. Christians as a whole.
    Must come into contact with alot of trolls.

  2. The future can only hold "potential" "G&B" the present is the only actuarial holder. The past also has it's limitations, with even media suffering immediate fossilization of state. Glad your back.

  3. Whenever a Christian claims "Objective Morality!", I ask "give me a criteria for moral adjudication". The issue being that I find the Bible to a collection of immoral tales, so the claim of such being in some way moral requires lots of details.

    Deuteronomy 20:10-14: Mass Murder, Slavery, Rape, and Conquest directed in 5 verses.

  4. IP has a habit of making matters worse for himself in his attempts to counter the criticisms of the Bible.
    It's all very well saying "that's just hyperbole" to refute the charge of biblical genocide – but that's an admission that the author of the passage was kinda turned on by the idea of God's destructive power. When someone says, "aw, man – you absolutely destroyed them!" – that's someone who really likes the idea of "them" getting a good pounding. It's revelling in bloodthirstiness. God's so cool man – he's a real stone cold killer!
    So when IP says things like, "not every single man woman and child was killed" – that's likely true (and you'd be pretty stupid to think otherwise) – but we are then left with the, perhaps worse fact, that the Bible is celebrating brutality, and building up the character of God as some kind of Attila the Hun or Genghis Khan figure.

  5. I like these two. I have to say, though, Dr Josh's views on Biblical Slavery seemed to agree with Dr Brown that it was much milder, much more limited, nowhere near as nasty as the trans-Atlantic slave trade, never involved a mercantile trade system based on kidnapping people and trading them as slaves and was much more benign than, say, being Kunte Kinte in 18th Century Alabama, a Roman Galley slave or a Phoenician salt mine slave.

    But with AronRa, it was all almost like
    "Yes! It was just as bad! It was all horrendous! In fact, it was WORSE, because this was GOD saying it!"

    Well, it can't be both. So which was it? AronRa cares only to make the point that it WAS slavery, so how can YHWH be infinitely moral and just and any kind of objective morality? That's it. Scoring the same petty point against Christian slavery deniers he and Matt Dullardhunty have been scoring three times a week for the last 20 years.

    But what was the reality? Being the head chef kitchen slave of Jacob or Solomon was just as bad as being Kunte Kinte, or a Roman salt mine slave?

    Or not?

    >:8o

  6. If god and adam and eve were real and not just an old story and if god created adam and eve with minds that weren't wise enough and caring enough to always choose to do the right thing then that would not be adam and eves fault that god forced them to exist no matter if they wanted to exist or not and created them with minds that are so unwise and so uncaring that they would willingly choose to do anything bad.
    It would be immoral to blame the creation for being the way that it was created because the creation has no choice but to be whatever way that it was created.

    And if the roles were reversed to where adam and eve created god with a mind that wasn't wise enough and caring enough to always choose to do the right thing then that would not be gods fault that adam and eve forced god to exist no matter if god wanted to exist or not and created god with a mind that was so unwise and so uncaring that god would ever willingly choose to do anything bad.

  7. I'd like to see a debate on whether or not it's peoples fault that they exist and are the way that their type of dna and their types of life experiences make them be. Like fore example you have the type of dna that has made you be a certain type of male or female and you have life experiences that force you to be a certain way and force you to think and do certain types of things. But it's not anybody's fault that they exist, are human, and are any way at all, no matter what way that they happen to be and it would be immoral for a god to force people to exist and then force them to be at fault for being a way that's not their fault.

    Life is an extremely unfair lottery on who and how a person will be both mentally and physically depending on what type of dna that they will happen to have and depending on what types of life experiences that they will happen to have that will program them to think and choose to do the types of things that their type of dna and their types of life experiences will program them to think and choose to do and it's not anybody's fault that they exist, are human, and are whatever way that their type of dna and their types of life experiences program them to be.

    Some people by no fault of their own will exist and have the type of dna and the types of life experiences that will program them to be a horrible way and some people by no fault of their own will exist and have the type of dna and the types of life experiences that will program them to be a good way and again it's not anybody's fault that they exist, are human, and are whatever way that their type of dna and their types of life experiences program them to be.

    The only way the way people are would be their fault is if they willingly chose to exist and they created themselves and they made themselves be exactly the way that they want to be in every single way. But since it's not possible for anyone to willingly choose to exist and create themselves and make themselves be exactly the way that they want to be in every single way, then that means it's not possible for anyone to be at fault for being whatever way that their type of dna and their types of life experiences unfortunately programs them to be.
    And it would be immoral to force someone to exist and then force them to be at fault for being a way that's not their fault.

    So nobody needs to be saved by Jesus because it isn't anybody's fault that they exist, are human, and happen to be whatever way that their type of dna and their types of life experiences force them to be.

    Hitler for example.
    It wasn't his fault that he existed and had the types of life experiences that programmed him to be a bad way. But if he would of existed somewhere else on the planet where he had the types of life experiences that programmed him to be a good way instead of a bad way, that also wouldn't of been his fault that he existed and happened to have the types of life experience that programmed him be that way either. He was just very unlucky by having the type of dna and the types of life experiences that programmed him to be a bad way.

    The only way the way he was would of been his fault is if he willingly chose to exist and if created himself and he made himself have the type of dna that he wanted to have and if he made himself have the types of life experiences that would of programmed him to be exactly the way he wants to be in every single way. But since it's not possible for him to willingly choose to exist and create himself and make himself be exactly the way he wants to be in every single way then that means it's not possible for him to be at fault for being whatever way that his type of dna and his types of life experiences unfortunately programmed him to be. And it would be immoral to force him or anyone else to be at fault for being a way that's not their fault.

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